{"id":920,"date":"2011-02-02T11:20:16","date_gmt":"2011-02-02T10:20:16","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/?p=920"},"modified":"2011-02-02T11:20:16","modified_gmt":"2011-02-02T10:20:16","slug":"google-peut-manipuler-manuellement-les-resultats-de-recherche","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/920.php","title":{"rendered":"Google peut manipuler manuellement les r\u00e9sultats de recherche"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/bing-google.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-922\" style=\"border: 0pt none; margin: 0px 10px;\" src=\"https:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/bing-google-150x150.png\" alt=\"Bing copie Google\" width=\"90\" height=\"90\" \/><\/a>Depuis toujours, je plaide la cause du 100% algorithmique chez Google, r\u00e9futant les th\u00e9ories de manipulation manuelle.<\/p>\n<p>Sauf que l\u2019affaire plut\u00f4t du plagiat de Bing sur les r\u00e9sultats de recherche Google sugg\u00e8re une interpr\u00e9tation sup\u00e9rieure prouvant la capacit\u00e9 d&rsquo;effectuer des changements \u00e0 la main dans l&rsquo;index.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Franchement, l\u2019affaire qui a fait le tour de la communaut\u00e9 du r\u00e9f\u00e9rencement hier est plut\u00f4t rigolote. <a href=\"http:\/\/searchengineland.com\/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914\">Bing piquerait carr\u00e9ment des r\u00e9sultats de recherche sur Google<\/a> (r\u00e9sum\u00e9 <a href=\"http:\/\/www.webrankinfo.com\/dossiers\/google-search\/triche-bing\">en fran\u00e7ais<\/a> sur Webrankinfo). <a href=\"http:\/\/m.zdnet.com\/blog\/microsoft\/microsoft-we-do-not-copy-googles-results\/8557\">Microsoft a d\u00e9menti<\/a> s\u00e8chement, mais les faits semblent irr\u00e9futables. Je ne\u00a0 vais pas m&rsquo;\u00e9tendre l\u00e0 dessus car \u00e7a d&rsquo;autres ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 fait le tour et ce n&rsquo;est pas ce qui m&rsquo;a int\u00e9ress\u00e9 dans cette histoire.<\/p>\n<p>Par contre, une petite phrase l\u00e2ch\u00e9e dans le d\u00e9menti nous confirme que les signaux envoy\u00e9s par les actions de l\u2019internaute sont tout \u00e0 fait pris en compte par Bing. Les indices et m\u00eame les <a href=\"https:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/321.php\">preuves de l&rsquo;existence du PersonRank<\/a> sont tout autant pr\u00e9sents pour Google, m\u00eame si la voix officielle se d\u00e9fend d&rsquo;utiliser les merveilleuses donn\u00e9es envoy\u00e9es par les internautes.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/personrank.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-921\" src=\"https:\/\/www.laurentbourrelly.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/02\/personrank.png\" alt=\"Le PersonRank officialis\u00e9 par Bing\" width=\"600\" height=\"66\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>J\u2019en profite pour signaler que \u00e7a sera le sujet de la conf\u00e9rence que je vais donner au <a href=\"http:\/\/seo-campus.org\/programme\/mercredi\">SEO Campus du mercredi 02 mars 2011<\/a>. Le terme tout trouv\u00e9 pour ce concept est <em>PersonRank<\/em>.<\/p>\n<h1>Manipulation ou pas\u00a0?<\/h1>\n<p>La th\u00e9orie du complot gronde depuis les d\u00e9buts du moteur fond\u00e9 par Larry Page et Sergei Brin. Les rumeurs sur des sites d\u00e9class\u00e9s ou valoris\u00e9s manuellement ont toujours fait le tour de la communaut\u00e9 du r\u00e9f\u00e9rencement.<\/p>\n<p>Personnellement, je n\u2019y crois pas&#8230; enfin je n&rsquo;y croyais pas.<\/p>\n<p>D\u2019abord, tout se sait un jour et personne n\u2019a encore parl\u00e9 du c\u00f4t\u00e9 des employ\u00e9s et insiders de Google Inc;. C\u2019est un secret trop gros pour ne pas \u00eatre mis \u00e0 jour. En plus, cela sonnerait la fin du moteur de recherche tel qu\u2019on le conna\u00eet.<br \/>\nParmi les exemples de la th\u00e9orie du complet, on entend r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement quelqu\u2019un clamer que son site est d\u00e9class\u00e9 suite \u00e0 la fermeture du compte Adwords.\u00a0 Vous croyez vraiment que les ing\u00e9nieurs du Search vont donner le pouvoir \u00e0 un commercial Adwords de flinguer un site\u00a0?<\/p>\n<p>En tout cas, jusqu\u2019\u00e0 hier, il n\u2019y avait pas de preuve irr\u00e9futable d\u2019une quelconque manipulation manuelle dans les r\u00e9sultats de recherche Google.<br \/>\nLes voix officielles de Mountain View ont toujours sugg\u00e9r\u00e9 qu\u2019il n\u2019y avait m\u00eame pas de moyen technique pour changer les r\u00e9sultats de recherche \u00e0 la main. A priori, il existe des filtres algorithmiques et un blacklistage manuel. Mis \u00e0 part l&rsquo;\u00e9jection brutale d&rsquo;un site de l&rsquo;index, on pensait que le positionnement \u00e9tait strictement une affaire d&rsquo;algorithmes.<\/p>\n<p>Quelques sources r\u00e9futant officiellement les interventions manuelles :<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0At Google we do not manually change results.\u201d &#8211;Udi Manber, Google VP in Charge of Search Quality, April 16, 2008, in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/blogs\/technology_news\/4259137.html\">Popular Mechanic<\/a><\/li>\n<li> \u00ab\u00a0Our third philosophy: no manual intervention\u2026The final ordering  of the results is decided by our algorithms\u2026, not manually by us. We  believe that the subjective judgment of any individual is\u2026subjective,  and information distilled by our algorithms\u2026is better than individual  subjectivity.\u00a0\u00bb &#8211;Amit Singhal, Google Fellow in Charge of the Ranking  Team,   2008, on <a href=\"http:\/\/googleblog.blogspot.com\/2008\/07\/introduction-to-google-ranking.html\">The Official Google Blog<\/a><\/li>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0[O]ur search results are generated objectively and are  independent of the beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google\u00a0\u00bb  &#8212;<a href=\"http:\/\/google-au.blogspot.com\/2010\/01\/hey-my-site-disappeared.html\">Lucinda Barlow<\/a>, Head of Corporate Communications for Google Australia, 2010<\/li>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0&lsquo;Don&rsquo;t be evil&rsquo; [means] providing our users unbiased access to information.\u00a0\u00bb &#8211;Google <a href=\"http:\/\/investor.google.com\/corporate\/code-of-conduct.html\">Code of Conduct<\/a> as provided to investors (first paragraph)<\/li>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0[W]e work very, very hard to keep the answers &#8211; the natural search answers completely unbiased.\u00a0\u00bb &#8212;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/templates\/story\/story.php?storyId=113450803&amp;ps=cprs.\">Eric Schmidt on National Public Radio<\/a>,  2009<\/li>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0We never manipulate rankings to put our partners higher in our search results\u00a0\u00bb &#8211; Google.com \u00ab\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/corporate\/tenthings.html\">Our Philosophy<\/a>\u00ab\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0[O]ur crawl process is completely automated; we don&rsquo;t &#8230; manipulate search results by hand.\u00a0\u00bb &#8212;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/support\/websearch\/bin\/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=39334\">Google Web Search Help<\/a><\/li>\n<li>\u201cGoogle\u2019s search results are solely determined by computer  algorithms that essentially reflect the popular opinion of the Web. Our  search results are not manipulated by hand. We\u2019re not able to make any  manual changes to the results.\u00a0\u00bb &#8212;<a href=\"http:\/\/news.cnet.com\/2100-1038_3-5186012.html\">David Krane<\/a>, Google spokesman, 2004<\/li>\n<li>Our \u00ab\u00a0approach to search is\u00a0\u00bb \u00ab\u00a0fully automated.\u00a0\u00bb &#8211;Sergey Brin, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/press\/pressrel\/pressrelease5.html\">press release<\/a>, 1999<\/li>\n<li>\u00ab\u00a0A site&rsquo;s ranking in Google&rsquo;s search results is automatically  determined by computer algorithms using thousands of factors to  calculate a page&rsquo;s relevance to a given query. &#8230; Our search results  are generated completely objectively and are independent of the beliefs  and preferences of those who work at Google.\u00a0\u00bb &#8211;Google&rsquo;s Explanation of  Search Results, as it stood through May 2007, as preserved by <a href=\"http:\/\/digitaldaily.allthingsd.com\/20090603\/google-and-the-evolution-of-search-scott-huffman\/\">Wall Street Journal<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20070321092528\/http:\/\/www.google.com\/explanation.html\">Archive.org<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Source : <a href=\"http:\/\/www.benedelman.org\/hardcoding\/\">Benedelman.org<\/a><\/p>\n<h3>Jusqu\u2019\u00e0 hier\u2026<\/h3>\n<p>L\u2019affaire du plagiat par Bing a permis de r\u00e9v\u00e9ler que les ing\u00e9nieurs Google ont mis en place des manipulations manuelles pour mettre \u00e0 jour la triche de Microsoft.<\/p>\n<p>En discutant ainsi de la m\u00e9thodologie, les googlers n\u2019ont pas pens\u00e9 aux cons\u00e9quences que j\u2019\u00e9voque dans ce billet.<\/p>\n<p>Maintenant, c\u2019est officiel d\u2019affirmer que la manipulation manuelle est possible.<br \/>\nComme tout s\u2019ach\u00e8te, pourquoi ne pas aller \u00e0 Mountain View pour offrir une mallette remplie de billets pour assurer que mon site soit bien positionn\u00e9\u00a0?<br \/>\nPuis finalement, pourquoi ne pas donner le pouvoir aux commerciaux Adwords de d\u00e9classer un site si le vilain a stopp\u00e9 d&rsquo;engraisser la cagnotte ?<\/p>\n<p>\u00c7a me tracasse juste que personne n&rsquo;ai parl\u00e9. Il y a toujours quelqu&rsquo;un qui parle&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>Dans tous les cas, \u00e7a me semble maintenant difficile de d\u00e9fendre la cause du 100% algorithmique.<\/p>\n<p>Au final, Bing devait se retrouver au pilori pour une quelconque affaire de plagiat, mais nous avons dans le m\u00eame sac les signaux de pond\u00e9ration envoy\u00e9s par l&rsquo;internaute chez Bing et Google, puis les manipulations manuelles dans les r\u00e9sultats de recherche de Google.<br \/>\nHier n&rsquo;\u00e9tait pas la journ\u00e9e pour louper sa veille.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Depuis toujours, je plaide la cause du 100% algorithmique chez Google, r\u00e9futant les th\u00e9ories de manipulation manuelle. 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